ONCE SAVED / ALWAYS SAVED ?
(i came across this today)
Many believers assume that once a person has accepted salvation and his/her name is entered in the Book of Life - that's it; that person can never be lost. That person's name can never be erased from the Register of the Living. No matter what that person thinks or does ever after, his salvation is assured; because his name is in the Lamb's Book of Life! I wish that were the case; but alas it isn't, because the Scriptures provide proof that wilful disobedience can - like a parent's act of disinheriting a worthless son - result in a believer's name being, exceptionally, deleted from the Book of Life!
Psa 69:
28: Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
Exo.32:
31: And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32: Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33: And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
In other words, names can be blotted out from the Book of Life. In ancient days it was written of Israelites who failed in some vital matter
'that soul shall be cut off from his people.' It is the same today. Names can be blotted out of the Book of Life! So Beware!
And so I end by reminding you all of these vital books. Books in which your name, your motives, your thoughts, your conversations and your deeds are recorded. Indeed these books, unlike other books, are updated on a daily basis. Names are being added - and alas names are being deleted. Thoughts, words and deeds are being recorded with absolute accuracy. No one can break in and alter those records. They are amongst the most important databases in the entire universe. And you and I are contributing to their content on a daily basis! May the Almighty help us all to live with these awesome facts in mind!
-SBS
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Well, you are wrong.
Romans 8:1, `For there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.'
It's a common argument, what you are saying. But it is wrong. You are not saved until the next time you sin. It is finished. Not `it is finished if ...'
It's funny, but nobody preaches about Unconditional Love once people finally cross over to the preacher's side.
dude u actually read thru the whole post!!!
@Joshi: As in I should read through the whole post? Sure, I already did, and I have, again.
Nobody gets blotted out of the Book. Those people referred to by those verses she quotes (Old Testament, I should note) are not under Grace, they are under the Law. Their being accepted by God depended on two things. One was how good they were. The other was whether or not they had a sacrifice to take care of paying up for their misdeeds.
We have the sacrifice. God can't punish you twice. He already did -- on the cross, in the same style as he had already punished the guys who sacrificed -- on the altar. When the sin has been paid up for, it's all good.
This is not what we contend, anyway. We all agree on these things. What we don't agree on is whether the next time you sin, the sacrifice has been nullified. Lemme quote Paul, in Galatians 2:17-21. Actually, I'm only quoting the last verse, but please read it all: `If righteousness could be gained by good works, Christ died for nothing.'
Righteousness is, here, displayed as being in the Book of Life. So, it can't be gained by good works (i.e., being sinless), but by relying solely on the Sacrifice.
There you have it. And, no, we are not taken in by God depending on how good we are (be it yesterday, today, or tomorrow), but because of how good our sacrifice, Jesus, is.
By the way, I'm trying not to come across as a Christian, because I hate the label. I'm not. I'd like it if you all understood that I am only contributing to this debate, and not being one of the `born-agains' that Keitetsi refers to, in the title. I'm not, damn it! Maybe I even hate them.
27th comrade thanks for ur comment i just saw it. Food for thought. so whats the difference between saved and unsaved are you saying its okay to be born again and go back to doing ur old works?
and the God of the old testament is the same God otherwise all the verses before matthew are for those under the law. God says he does not change.
Yeah, Keitetsi, God does not change. That's why there are all these parallels with the Old Testament. He always punishes sin -- always. But he already punished your sin, in punishing Jesus.
I said those guys were under the law, because they did not have the Jesus option. They were supposed to be good by not having committed any sins, or by having sacrificed a pure lamb. All humans have sinned, so it is impossible to be good by not having sinned. We, instead, depend, like all the men and women referred to as `good' in the Bible, on a sacrifice of a pure lamb.
Am I saying it is okay to go keep doing your old works? Well, Paul paused the same question (rhetorical, then) in the verses I quoted there.
You see, we aren't capable of being good. If we could, we wouldn't need Jesus. We would only need much effort. And Jesus is clear about it: I am the way. Good works aren't the way. You know that even the holiest person makes God puke with his unholiness -- it is impossible to be good.
But that doesn't answer your question. Well, it is not okay to go on sinning, but what can we do? Even if we do what we think is good, we still are as unholy as unholy can get.
This deserves a long answer, and my boss is peeping.
Just know, that if you are not condemned (as per Romans 8:1 and many, many other verses), your will to sin loses its power, because we are inspired to sin by the presence of a do-not-sin command.
See Romans 7. See what Paul says as chapter 7 ends: ``So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
``So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.''
And then he breaks into song as the next chapter opens: `For there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus'.
The point is that you know, and God knows, that you don't want to sin. That you would never commit a single sin, if you had the power to choose it. But you can't because you have the flesh. It will always want to sin. So, you are going to hell, except ... `Thank God, through Christ Jesus ... For there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.'
It's not that you want to sin. You just have the flesh, and no options. God didn't provide his son for the Passion of the Christ so as to give you a second way out. It is an only way out. Yet it would be a second way out, if you could live without sinning. In ...
Frig, Boss is here. More later.
Oh, and that question (`what is the difference between saved and unsaved'): well, nothing but the pardon that is freely received. (Note what Paul says there: `we receive it freely, so that none may brag about it' -- if we had any hand in being or staying saved, we would brag about it, the way I see some Christians do; because they believe their effort is the reason they are `still standing', when in fact it is ages since they fell and never got up. One's being saved does not, even in the faintest, remotest way, depend on that one -- purely on God's gift. It is a gift, not a commodity you work or pay for. So that none may brag.)
Romans 3:27, 28 has more on that.
27th comrade, I agree with you on many things, but I agree more with this entry. Some people abuse salvation and the cross. Our actions can never get us to heaven; our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. I'm just wondering, what do you have to say about how Jesus begins each letter to the seven churches (Rev. Ch. 2-3) with the words, "I know thy works"? How about, "Be holy, for the LORD thy God is holy (Lev. 19:2)?" and "...in the latter times some men shall depart from the faith and heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils..."
I think Christians have given up on trying to lean on God for right living and instead "created" their own imaginary god who conforms to their emotions and whose forgiveness is to be abused. If I could be born again and continue to do the things I did in the past, if the Blood of Jesus Christ was a ticket to heaven even if I deliberately spent my time doing the nastiest of things with no intention of repentance, I wonder, what would be the point?
It's hard for me to get my feelings on this issue into words but I agree with Keitetsi.
Jesus said "It is finished", but He gave us a choice to receive that. Or to reject it. And sadly, some people who think they are in the former camp, actually are in the latter.
Ummmm too much debate on all my blog entries im confused 27th comrade what do u have to say
Ummmm too much debate on all my blog entries im confused 27th comrade what do u have to say
I agree that it is imperative to talk about God's ways - Post Christ on the matter of eternal salvation and being "written in the book".
So let's....
Matthew 24:13 "He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.”
Also, 1 Corinthians 5:11-13
Paul advises a congregation of ANOINTED CHRISTIANS on how to treat willful sin taking place WITHIN the congregation...
1 Cor. 5:11 But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.”
Clearly, being baptized into Christ or "born-again" did not guarantee salvation. As Jesus mentioned, we would have to endure to the END to be saved.
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